So, obviously some people think that the Nick Berg decapitation video is a fake.
Here are some of the questions some raised about the video:
- The timing of the video’s release – guaranteed to divert attention from the outrage over US abuse of Iraqis.
- Why Nick Berg was wearing an orange jumpsuit
Illusion my freind, illusion !
It
For those who have seen the video, note the following:
1. There is a period of lost time (11 hours) between the time the executioners push him to the ground and the shot where he wrestled into position.
2. There is a period of lost time (14 seconds) from the time his head is supposedly removed and moved in position for the camera.
There are clearly edits — what was edited out?
The video is definitely a fake. What is in doubt is who made it, and how/if Berg actually died.
The conspiracy theorists are amusing, if nothing else. Karim, on the other hand, with his blanket statement accusing Americans of crimes against Arabic people is both misguided and foolish. The American citizens are a gentle people, a compassionate people. There are exceptions with all nationalities, of course, just as many Arabic people are good and those responsible for this particular atrocity are the dredge of the earth, the most evil and worthless humans to walk the earth. Blame the US government or the military, but to even have the nerve to suggest that an innocent, compassionate, young American citizen deserved such a fate is among the most naive and idiotic assertions I have ever encountered. And the attempts at justification or the questions of the validity of the video, they speak completely of the classless individual who posts them. I am all the more dumb for having read your posts, but nothing can come close to the ignorance it must have required to compel you to type the post. Unbelievable that such idiocy exists in this day and age.
It is a shame that you are only partly correct. We(The United States of America), have shed much blood. There have been many innocent people who suffered unjust, and untimely deaths in the name of collateral damage. This much is true. Unfortunately the war being waged in Iraq right now, is not reminiscent of those that we have shed the blood. Shame. The United States is showing a great deal of composure in this matter, and I think you Karim…should be thankful.
I just wish I could have command for 24 hours…and after the cities of all of the Middle East were rained on by pig’s blood…then I would start with the Daisy cutters…every mosque, every hospital, every school, every red cresent center….and basically just everything that moved, and thanked Allah. (this is written with a great deal of anger after just viewing the Berg video)…Karim…the real place to wage the war on Iraq….is right here in the U.S. It appalls me to see how many of the middle eastern sympathizers walk our streets with utter contempt for those around them… Thats where we need to start. Every American you kill…we “humiliate” one Iraqi here….almost like a Monty Python sketch.. from the holy grail…STOP OR I SHALL TAUNT YOU ONCE AGAIN!!!…. Enough taunting and humiliating… It is time to raise the foreign body count. Good Day…
It
Claudia, I expect you are an arrogant, self-absorbed European.
Has the US caused deaths of innocents? Yes. Do we STRIVE to kill innocents? No. Despite your yammering, there IS a difference.
If they want to get back at someone, then they should have gone after US military or government personnel, not a civilian. No amount of accidental killing of civilians warrants the deliberate killing of civillians.
You also seem to need a history book. The atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki kill about 270,000 instantly, and about another 100-200K from residual effects of radiation over the next 10 years. That doesn’t add up to millions. Sad, but it DID stop the war. You might also remember the ACTUAL millions of Chinese the Japanese killed in LARGE SCALE bio-warfare experiments. But of course, in your Euro-trash mind, only the US attrocities count.
My guess is that you think that the murder of Nick Berg was OK because, like half of Europe, you are probably an anti-semetic Jew-hater.
People like YOUR ancesters likely dragged my ancesters out of Africa to the Americas.
Joe
What about Vietnam? Kenya? what about all the natives Us killed? What about all the wars u have origin inside different coumtries “stoping the communists”
This are your politics u
What about Vietnam? Kenya? what about all the natives Us killed? What about all the wars u have origin inside different coumtries “stoping the communists”
This are your politics u
Right on Joe… I’m glad someone said that. you were right on the mark till your last sentence, but that’s another issue. anyways, the U.S. has done more for other countries than any other country in the history of the world. ask europe.
Since George Washington
GANGLO-AMERICANA War (1812-1814)
War against MEXICO (1846-1848)
HISPANO-AMERICAN War (1898)
NICARAGUA (1912 a 1933) (Occupation)
HAITI ( Julio 1915)(to gave “democracy”)
First World War (1914-1918)
Second World War (1939-1945)
War of COREA (1950-1953)
SUEZ (1956)
LIBANO (15 julio de 1958)
BAY of COCHINOS (17 abril 1961) (To take Fidel out of the power)
VIETNAM (1961-1975)
REPUBLICA DOMINICANA(Abril-septiembre 1965)(Fight against communism)
IRAN (25 abril 1980)
LIBANO (Octubre-diciembre 1983)
GRANADA (1983)
LIBIA (15 abril 1986)
PANAMA (1989)
GUERRA DEL GOLFO (Enero-febrero 1991)
SOMALIA (Septiembre 1992)
AFGANISTAN Y SUDAN (20 de agosto de 1998)
KOSOVO (Marzo 2000)
IRAK
USA peaceful country uh?
the US trying to make the world a better more humane place. a place where our children can live without having to worry about their airplane hitting a skyscraper on purpose, or riding a bus without it blowing up and scattering their body parts blocks away. i tell you what claudia, why dont you go talk to al qaida and tell them how americans have just misunderstood them, and that we should be friends. we’ll all hold hands and love one another as the next bomb explodes. good luck with that mentality. appeasers are the ones that become the losers in the end. they are like the worlds brownnosers.
by the way, you forgot about the american civil war. im sure you don’t mind that war one bit since it was 600,000 americans dying while they killed one another.
civil war yep actually forgot it… proud about it that u mention?
It
Well I have seeing all the post make in this forum and I think that Claudia doesn
In regards to women and children and H-Bombs.
The bombs were dropped on cities directly responsible for manufacturing of war equipment and munitions. Men and women were employed in this work. If the west wanted to kill civilians then, they would have hit Tokyo in two places instead. While were about it, if the west wants to kill civilians, why dont they use the H-Bombs they still have right now?
Those innocents in Iraq were caught up in war, as in being too close to bad people who had weapons and loved saddam. They may have been unlucky to live next door to a house that required a missile. Maybe we should have asked saddam to be nice and change his ways. Maybe his sons would have changed in time. Maybe his sons sons would have been different. As for Nick Berg, he was clearly not near any war activity in any threatening way. Wasnt caught firing a weapon or near any hanky panky activity. Unlike all in war who were unfortunately too close to the bad guys or doing something to help the bad guys, Nick was pulled to one side while he was on his way to MacDonalds in Iraq and made an example of. There is no relationship between his treatment and those who got to close to or were seen loitering near a bunch of no hopers with guns.
I saw the video.
As disgusting as it is – real or fake – there are some inconsistencies.
The executioner at the start is wearing a black hood – but without an obvious change of personnel the person holding the head in the later frames is wearing a white hood.
Furthermore, the white hooded man is wearing a flack jacket at the start of this alleged 30 second video, but when he holds the head aloft he is not wearing it.
Clearly there is some editing involved.
The whole episode is excruiatingly tragic, especially for the poor Berg family and friends, but if we are bing told this is fact then let’s be sure all efforts have been made to establish authenticity ?
i’m just thinking of what claudia said about the USA being a warhawk country, it’s true they have been in many wars, but it’s the reason behind it that matters most. ww1/ww2, to stop german (w/ allies) aggressions; korea: north invades south,war was sanctioned by the UN and fought under the UN flag; suez was between egypt and france/uk, USA wasn’t in conflict; cuba crisis, if cuba didn’t take US assest there wouldn’t be a crisis; south vietnam infiltrated by communist troops, s. vietnam a US ally, US ship attacked by N. vietnam, hence the justification for the war; no direct intervention in iran; panama, removing a dictator from power (nothing wrong with that since it panama was a US protectorate); 1st gulf war, iraq invades kuwait, UN resolutions allowed the attack on iraq, US in coalition with many other countries under the Coalition flag; kosovo, ethinic cleansing and serb troops occupying that province, NATO attacked serbia, so it wasn’t only the states; attacking countries that supports/habour terrorist, if that is right, then i dunno what is wrong.
certainly not all wars initiated by the US are justified, but the ones that are shouldn’t portray them as the aggressor.
every countries went to war before and many times, even canada has been in many wars: 1812, boer, ww1/ww2, korea, gulf, kosovo, afghanistan and they are just some.
war is not always right, but it is not always wrong either.
Im sickened by the fact that anyone can justify this act. Even to suggest that the US is just getting what they deserve, leaves me in a rage – you stupid morons would allow this to occur despite the fact that the intent was not retribution, but outright barbarism. It was not done to stop a war, it was not done to prevent attact, it was not done with any intention of causing anything but horror in the minds of the sane parts of the world, which sadly is becoming full of idiots like claudia and karim.
To bring up Joe Vaills as some sort of proof the US deserve it, or have indeed committed actrocities in the past, is laughable. If you read his site properly, you will see yo have much more to worry about from the Alien Lizzard people, than the US, you fool.
Nick Berg did not cause any harm or distress to these putrid savages, yet he was barbarically killed. This is why there is a damn war happening – these scumbags are moving ionto your coutries, into your neighbourhoods and into your schools, where they will not leave these activities behind. They will change your laws to fulfill their “cultural” right to commit such acts.
These scumbags, and those that do not outright condemn them as vile examples of human beings, should be put to death. The world would be a far better place without rubbish idiots like that, and those in here.
Im still sick to my stomach that people like this live near me. If you think it doesnt happen, then do some research. We have already had in Australia, a case where a muslim teenager killed his younger sister because she was dating an Australian guy. An honour killing – we condemned that as we should, but it is this mentality that is increasingly growing and when it’s too damn late, it will be the ilk of Claudia et al that will be to blame, and believe me you will not be exempt from the muslim holy war to convert or kill.
Idiots the damn lot of you, who cannot see this as an act of terrorism and denounce it as such.
Why the wars?
I agree that Berg was a civil, that he had the most barbarian dead… that no one deserve that.
But i see that u guys only live your truth and i also see that in US they get trough tv only what they want u to be seen. They brain wash u in certain way.
By the way medical studies said that the person who was beheaded was the dead body of Berg, cause if he was alife the blood would have reached the roof when he
And by the way i can see acts of terrorists as the Bergs case and also i have the enough vision to see the acts of terrorism that Us do in name of “justice”
Why does it always boil down to the act is forgiven because of what others have done…
That kind of logic is ludicrous.
If your father hit my father, that does not give me the right to kill your grandchildren, solwly and painfully. It is a pathetically flawed logic that allows this sort of behaviour.
As for the video and audio being out of sync, blame the twit that encoded it. Avi is notorious for doing that, if you dont have a decent encoder. What I saw and what I heard coincided, and as for it being edited, I would not use that as a basis that it is fake.
It is very poor quality video and there is plainly visible a pool of blood on the floor. I have seen footage of other beheadings also, and the amount of blood is not always visible, but there is no Kill Bill crap as in blood spurting to the ceiling.
So if the US media is brainwashing people then beheading them is OK, is that what you are saying Claudia ? Or are you saying that it didnt happen, it’s a fake that the US has perpetrated to sway public support back to the US agenda ?
Bah.
How would you like it if your husband or son were in that clip, rather than some evil bastard yank ?
It is amazing how people can hate the US so much that an act of terrorism such as this is forgivable, justifiable or even tolerated.
You really do need help if this is the case.
Let me just ask you Claudia, if you had no choice, who would you rather be detained by. The US troops, or the Iraqis?
The liberal people of the united states will destroy the whole country if we follow thair medecin, we need to put fear in to any one that does terror against our people.
They need to under stand that the price will be to high if we are attacked by the thousands or one on one.
The jews have learned that the only way to survive against the savage,subhuman,pond scum it to kill them in retaliation.
We can not negociate with animals.
The arab cultere destroys everything and creats nothing.
We put men on the moon they blow up people
We invent the light bulb they blow up people
We give the auto to the masses and they blow up people.
thair culture is not worth saveing and is dangerous to our safty.
We need to kill as many of them as it takes till they learn that they will be wiped out if they continue.
personaly I am for werk macht free. and gas chambers. the final solution.
you stupid fucs that think the us is to blame.
Look at the stupidity of those in other countrys that you look up to. south africa given to the niggers and look what they do, take from a news paper
“goes to South African Minister of Health Dr. Manto Tshabala-Msimang, who claimed, and continues to claim, that treatment with “garlic, herbs, and liver” is not only most efficacious in the treatment of HIV-AIDS, tuberculosis, and other deadly diseases, but is far superior to Western medicine. She also believes, in agreement with Thabo Mbeki, President of the African National Congress and President of South Africa, that AIDS is not caused by the HIV virus. The death rate in South Africa has soared, with an estimated 5.3 million of its 45 million people (12%) now HIV-infected. ”
This is what liberal idots in the us are alinging themselves with. stupid shits
I gotta say I disagree about the lack of blood. I read all the ideas about the inconsistencies and everything, and they make sense. So I watched the video thinking “Well, at least if there’s no blood it means he was already dead,” so it wouldn’t be too bad.
But there WAS lots of blood. Maybe it’s the quality of the video or something that makes people unable to see it, but I definitely saw a large amount of blood coming out of his neck and also a small amount when they lifted the head. If you think about it, there’s no reason why there would be massive amounts gushing from the head when they lifted it up because it was already draining for several seconds while they sawed through his neck.
I saw a much closer-up video of them cutting somebody’s head off once, which was quite real, and blood wasn’t spraying, it was just quietly gushing out into a pool, the same way Nick Berg’s was. I think the blood argument for it being fake is just not valid.
hi
i have watched the disgusting film,and am in shock,but what everyone must know is that when the arab world commits its countless atrocities,it will be followed shortly by “justifications” and in many cases deniel,as we can see here with,seeing if the video is real or not,in israel,this happens many times over,my people are killed in suicide attacks,and the world does not say a word,in fact they condem us for killing the people who commit the act,
,do you understand what that means?it means if you knew the people who did kill my fellow jew nick berg,and you knew where they lived and the usa went and killed them ,youd be condemed!whats wrong with this world?since when were the bad considerd victims?since when did this world drop to defending murder?
and please dont give me the “america did this and that to deserve it” shit!the fact is america and israel do not TARGET civilians,civilians do get killed ,but they are not targeted,where as the people we are fighting TARGET civilians!
whats wrong with you people!!!europe has allowed the death of countless jews and others ,the question is why?the answer is europe believes in appeasment,and as seen in world war 2 they will pay dearly for it.
“The U.S. has deliberately targeted Iraqi civilians in the past,” stated Brian Becker, co-director of the International Action Center (IAC). “During the Gulf war, for instance, the U.S. used two precision or
Till next week
Claudia,not only is your thought process erratic, but your punctuation is awful and your spelling is pathetic. So how’s everything in Chile? Any new “wars of liberation” going on? Political assasinations? Leftist guerrila campaigns? Is former PM Fujimoto still stealing from the treasury? It’s really not such a land of peace after all, now is it? It’s funny how facts get in the way of idealism. Claudia I would love to visit your country someday. I understand it is a land of great natural beauty. Yet I would hope that any politically inclined Chileans I were to meet would have a knowledge of history and geopolitics superior to your own. JS.
Claudia,
My closest friend (other than my wife) is from Chile. Her family FLED when Pinochet came to power. Your country’s history is rife with violence, corruption, and murder, no less than mine. SO, you are in no position to claim moral superiority on a historical basis.
And as a Hispanic, you ancestor’s RAPED, KILLED, PILLAGED and STOLE most of the Americas from the indigenous Indians. AND I was right that your ancestors were involved in the slave trade. Since you want to go all the way back to the beginning, it is a fair thing to point out.
As to my politics, NO, I do not agree with this administration. In fact, I find their conduct APPALLING. I lok forward to the chance to vote them out of office. So, I don’t take kindly to anyone saying that ALL Americans are fair game simply because our government has done (is doing, will do) bad things from time to time. The great part about my country is that when we realize something is wrong, we can at least try to change it.
How often have Chileans been able to say that?
Yrachmiel,
It is even worse than that. Europeans (as a group) are anti-semitic. Mein Kampf was a best seller. They KNEW Hitler wanted to murder Jews in large numbers. That didn’t bother them. Had he not gone on his territorial conquest, he likely would have been successful in eradicating European Jewry. And few in Europe would have minded.
I found it SO funny when Lepin came in second in the last French election, the French went running around hollering about how he didn’t represent their views. But that is a lie. In the election, Lepin got 17%, putting him in second place, qualifying for the run off election. But he traditionally got 14-16% in previous elections, so it wasn’t like there was a “sudden” move in his direction. In fact, it was only a slight improvement. So, that means that a LEAST 1-in-7 to 1-in-6 French hold an radical, anti-immigrant, anti-Jew attitude. I’d also point out their recent attempt to stop people from wearing yamulchas, kefis, hajab, and the like, as if this was somehow SEPARATION of church and state, when it is in fact denying religious freedom, and specifically targeting minority religions.
And unfortunately, they aren’t alone.
Claudia,
the bunker in question was ALSO used by the Iraqi military. Yes, the bunker was destroyed on purpose. However, it was not known that civilians would be using it. A terrible tragedy, to be sure. A horrible mistake. But not a deliberate attempt to kill civilians.
Of course, if Saddam didn’t put civlians in a military facility (and vice versa) there would have been fewer civilian casualties. Did you fail to notice teh ANTI_AIRCRAFT GUN IMPLACEMENTS on top of CIVILIAN APARTMENT BUILDINGS???
Joe
Kilroy,
We “niggers” prefer to be called “black people”, or something similarly less hostile.
Ironically, it is rednecks like you that give the US a bad name.
Jim Young,
“personaly I am for werk macht free. and gas chambers”
Unfortunately, you don’t seem to be for spelling or reading classes. Pity.
I think what you were attempting to say is “Arbeit macht frei”. It was a bad idea to do it to the Jews, and it is also a bad idea to do it to the Muslims. Combating barbarians is another matter, and at least on that score, we can agree.
Just PLEASE buy a dictionary.
Well put, Magpie.
I was appalled by the Abu Ghurayb prison photos.
I don’t think the words are yet been invented to describe how horrible it felt watching the Nick Berg video.
Manual,
Your reading comprehension is clearly poor. My point on the atom bombs was that I was ACKNOWLEDGING that many people died a a lingering result of the bombs, IN ADDITION TO those that were killed immediately. I was attempted not to ignore the death of many thousands of people.
Now as far as the “living” in fear part, well, I live WITHIN SITE of the World Trade Center site. It wasn’t just something I watched on TV, or saw pictures of. I could see the buildings clearly from where I was. And when the wind shifted a few days later, I could SMELL the aftermath. So, smartass, I can say I know what it is like to be in an area under attack. That day, we didn’t know if there were going to be follow on attacks, and I was fearful that my family or friends could be injured or killed.
You might want to extract your leg from your mouth about now.
I find it really funny how the world disses americans, and then goes on using the conveniences we made and gave to the world, and you guys talk about wars in the past… America is a new country our past has had a lot less bloodshed than the rest of the world… Remember middle ages… Islamic sweep through north afrika? The world is/has been a blood place get over it. We are trying to keep the blood shed minimized and away from innocent civilians. Iraq, and terrorists bring that bloodshed to innocent citizens deliberately…
Let’s calm down people. I’m sure most of you are very nice, decent people, but many of your arguments are just attacks toward one another.
I hear one guy accusing a girl of being European, as if that’s such a bad thing! You are in no position to be in such a fit about people generalizing Americans when you make such comments. It was childish and just plain mean!
And although I don’t totally agree with Claudia’s initial comment, at least she’s staying on topic with her arguments. How lame is the person who starts poking fun of a person’s grammar when writing on here! She’s trying to get her point across in a language that is most likely not her mother-tongue! Give her a break!
My point is, we have a huge mess on all of our hands. People are dying. Let’s stop attacking each other and seek understanding instead. I know all this sounds cheesy, but really guys… Get over yourselves.
hi joe
yes i am aware of how bad the situation in france has got,my country israel has a department dealing with jews outside the land,ie france,the french jews have experianced 274 attacks a month,most of them of a phyisical nature.the cheif rabbi of france has told the jewish french population to, in his words”get out while you still can”-and hence there have been an influx of jews to israel.and israel being the home land of the jewish people accepts EVERY SINGLE ONE
but it really does bug me that cluadia does not answer questions posed to her rather she changes the subject or moves to another point,and cluadia that is the characteristics of a librel.
also i have seen that most ppl choose to express thier ignorance on this forum,by not knowing the actually facts.
here are some facts for you
first let me define terror:
The term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.
The term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country.
The term “terrorist group” means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism.
in conclusion:
As the West unites against barbaric Islamic terrorism that now also haunts continental Europe, it is essential that Israel’s struggle against Palestinian terror be properly identified as part of this larger battle (which many now consider nothing less than World War III).
When news outlets differentiate between attacks in Israel and those elsewhere, they expose an editorial decision that Palestinian attacks are not part of that larger battle between Islamist terrorists and democratic civilization, but rather, more justified acts of nationalistic “resistance.”
This journalistic act is factually wrong, morally dangerous, and a far cry from “neutral reporting.”
and if any of you wish to speak with me please email me at rachmik@hotmail.com i can show you things that will change your view,lol actually all ill do is show you the facts.
i have to go work now.joe keep posting,and dont let these ignorant librels ,who think thier opinion is fact get ahead.keep up the good work joe
yerachmiel
Can someone send me the website address so that I may see the video personally. I want to see what controversy lies within the video as far as it being authentic.
Man, I just got here and started reading and it’s all so damn sad. People insulting each other, playing the ever popular blame game. Your wrong…no your wrong..blah..blah. Yeah id like to see that guy write in perfect spanish. I mean..he being so perfect and all. This is war. Two oponing sides. There will be pain and death. Regardless of who is “better”than anyone. Who is good and who is evil. Who deserves what. One beheading here, a couple of rapes over there. A lot of humans dying all over the place and the world will go on. You people act surprised like this never happened before.In ten years some of you won’t even remember their names. People pissed off because a lot of pepole “hate america…how dare they” As if all americans loved each other, and never generalizes about anyone. Nope..no rape,murder, racism, anti-semitism in america. No currupt people there! Jesus is on our side! Yeah! Jesus will be the first to pull the trigger,rape the POW and push the bomb button so those evil doers get what they deserve. I hate it when the president mentions God…He has nothing to do with it. Please…heard some hateful comments about Europe in there…probably by people who never even lived there. I did and it was not that bad or evil. Good people, bad people like anywhere else in the world. In Madrid where i lived for a couple of months I found a freedom of spirit you can’t find in any US bible belt. Where in some places its actually ileagal to have a tattoo! Yeah iraquis can be cruel(the bad ones)and evil. More than us even, but please…quit that we are the saviors of them all routine.
Oh..wasn’t the reason for all this to begin with was weapons of mass destruction….ring a bell.
Maxine,
The video can be found at Salon.com
After viewing it, I’m convinced it is all too real. I caution you that it is VERY disturbing. To me, it was the most horrible thing I’ve ever witnessed in my life. It still haunts me. I urge people NOT to look at it… not because I want to hide something, only because it is SO disturbing that you may regret it, as I did.
View at your own peril. If I could “unwatch” it, I would.
Jenn,
Well, since people all over the world make general statments concerning the US, why is turnabout not fairplay?
Joe
Alexa,
Well, Bush’s illegal war was supposedly about WMD, but obviously, that was a lie (or at the very least, a gross error).
Regardless, the beheading of Nick Berg, an innocent, was a gruesome and dispicable act. Although there has been some outcry against it, I wish it were louder. It was pretty heinous, and my mind is soiled from having watched it.
nine
This is for Joe Stevenson: the crimes against innocent people that werw exterminated by the Hitler-admirer General Pinochet couldn
by the way guys,who trained Bin Ladin?
C
Just thought that I’d point out to an earlier post that “North Vietnam attacking an American ship” was clearly proven in the Pentagon Papers (as well as with other evidence) to have been faked by the Johnson administration in order to build support in Congress to start the Vietnam war. This is an established FACT, not an opinion, yet in all my years of Public School I was never aware of such facts! Hmm, I wonder why?!
The Government, believe it or not, controls its people one way or another at one time or another, so to immediately dismiss any and all accusations that the Government is lying to us is just plain ignorance. You can be a sheep if you’d like, but I’d rather be the one that’s in Wolf’s clothing!